Fantastic Information. Where do you find this? The Marriage Certificate info came from a Gillian Palmer to Paul Thomas 10 years ago, on this site ,and only listed the two Fathers and no occupations. So now that I have a lot more info on my Gr grandfather John I need to see how to go back further. My "Total" backwards info goes Gr grandfather John to Henry b1804( Santon) to Thomas b1766 ( Santon) to William b 1734 ( Santon) to Christopher Gick. This info has already come into dispute because the marriage certificate says John's Father was John not Henry. Quite possible John #2 fits between John #1 and Henry. I'm still trying to find out exactly where my info came from, possibly my late Aunt, and therefore I cannot vouch for its accuracy. I'm having fun in the search so far. Michael