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Re: Elizth Sophia GILL bapt 1827 Braddan

This is turning out to be a fascinating puzzle. I've been digging around in a Caley family and just might have identified Sophia Gill's friend/relative, Margaret Caley b circa 1830, in the hope that it will throw some light on the name of Sophia's mother. I see from old messages (found by googling) that there was a suggestion that Sophia's mother may have been Margaret Gill alias Scarff. Eric will probably be able to help with this.

Going back to Margaret Caley b 1830, looking for siblings, I used the search facility for Manchester and Liverpool marriages, looking for a Caley whose father was John Caley, cabinet maker. This one came up:

Liverpool, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921
about Edward Caley
Name: Edward Caley
Age: Full Age
Marriage Date: 19 Jun 1854
Parish: Liverpool, St Nicholas
Spouse's Name: Ellen Haslam
Father's Name: John Caley
Spouse Father's Name: John Dewhurst
Reference Number: 283 NIC/3/47

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Edward Caley/full/bach/joiner/Burlington St/father John Caley, cabinet maker.
Ellen Haslam/full/widow/Burlington St/father John Dewhurst, reed maker.
witnesses: Henry Rylance+Harriet Myerscough.

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1861 + 1881 England censuses show that Edward was b IOM.

Luckily, from the census index, there's only one Edward Caley on the island in 1841:
CALEY Edward 15 Douglas 1465/4 21 35

John Caley 60 Cabinet Maker
Matt Caley 20 apprentice
Edward 15 apprentice
Thomas 15

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A search for old BB messages brings up a 2008 thread from Sue Martin, a descendant of Matthew Caley --- here's the link to the first message in the thread:

www.isle-of-man.com/genealogy/messageboard/manx_archive_2.pl/md/read/id/520993

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Info from Frances showed that John Caley's wife was probably Cath Murray who was probably the illegit daughter of Sommerville Murray and Eleanor Crellin.

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IGI:
Name: Catharine Crellin
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 30 Oct 1785
Christening Place: MALEW,ISLE OF MAN,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Sommerville Murray
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Ellinor Crellin
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C03809-1
System Origin: Isle_Of_Man-ODM
GS Film number: 106731
Reference ID:

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Name: John Caley
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Catharine Murray
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 07 May 1807
Event Place: Braddan,Isle Of Man,England
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M03802-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 106188, 106189, 106190, 106708, 106709, 106710, 106711
Reference ID:

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It seems that Cath Caley alias Crellin/Murray died in 1830:

CALEY, Catherine 45 Malew 26 Dec 1830

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and it's possible that this could have been a death during/following childbirth, which could have been Margaret Caley's birth. Just speculation though, and I can't find a baptism for Margaret in the IGI.

Going back to Sophia and Margaret in 1841, this is the entire household:

1841
Ballafletcher, Braddan

John Gelling 50 shoemaker
Elenor 50
Elenor 20 dressmaker
Elenor Gelling 50 washerwoman
single slash
John Bridson 60 ag lab
Elizabeth 60
single slash
Sophia Gill 15 FS
Margaret Caley 10
all Y
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Going with the theory that Margaret Caley's mother had died when Margaret was newborn, perhaps she was brought up by female relatives who could have been the Gellings or the Bridsons or Sophia's family. Eric will be able to tell us who these Gellings are.

Jean

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