To Alexandra. My mother who was the daughter of Robina Kinvig (sister of adopted John) grew up in Castletown. She lived on the prom for a while & I think in Parliament Square. She moved to Ballasalla when she got married & where I was brought up. I shall ask my sister when I next ring her if the name was Nelly. The thing is I have a photo of 2 women one about 40 & one aged about early 20s taken in 1939. On the back it says Nellie Kinvig. I've always thought that this could be Herbert Kinvig's wife & daughter as he married an Eleanor (Nellie ? ) Herbert was Robina's oldest brother who was killed in WW 1. Also in the photo is a little boy aged about 3. They are all sitting casually on the grass. My sister wasn't born until 1943 so these are not the people she remembers visiting. Unless they visited again of course. Any other questions for me. Have you read the other messages in the thread about your John's mother Jane? -- K