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Manx Sun 31 Mar 1860 d Mount Strange nr C'town former master shipwright Port of Liverpool age 87

I can't find any mortgage of the properties so it would appear that John must have employed a manager for property - Avril noted that he was still in Liverpool in 1851 - also not sure of what if any relationship there was to his executors in trust Thos Lace senr + junr