My previous message was intended to be in response to your previous message, at 3:33, but it came out in the wrong place. This one is a response to yours of 6:40.

Averil, this is all useful – I was going to use that naughty word again – material. The clincher is the Joughin, Thomas E Estate 1886. That was Thomas Evan Joughin, second cousin of the man who went to NZ. Thomas Evan’s father, William Joughin, a weaver, was baptised at Maughold 1809 April 23. He married Isabella Kerruish of the Cardle line and had five children:
1841 Margaret Jane
1843 William
1846 Isabella
1849 John
1853 Thomas Evan.

In 1857 his wife Isabella died.
In 1865 Margaret Jane died.
In 1870 Isabella married James Walton.
That left William and his three sons at home. They soldiered on at least until the 1871 census. I knew about William jr and John going to Ohio. Now we can confidently say that William snr. and Thomas Evan also went, presumably all together. You have William snr and jr and Thomas in your message. John I heard a little about when I was in correspondence briefly with his grandson George F Joughin of the Joughin Hardware store that flourishes today in Painesville, Ohio. It claims to have been established in 1877, so if that was by the Joughins from the start, they lost no time in getting going once they arrived from the Isle of Man.

The Thomas S Joughin that died in 1909 that you found in your previous message was born in 1881, father also born in Ohio, which would have been born before William the weaver and his family arrived. If true it shows that William’s family were not the first Joughins in Ohio.