oh this is brilliant, Bernard, i would love to have that juicy info and photo! pls email me direct ( here we go in code): first part is elgar, the next part is the usual little a in a circle, the next part is islandnet all one word, then dot com Thanks very much !. My new little grandaughter Caroline, if i count it right, is the great great grandaughter of Poppy Radcliffe. Bouncing up and down here, you know what a thrill old photos are !!! regards Lois