Hello Philip,

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I never found Emily's baptism - she was quite a mystery. I wonder whether she was baptised with another name, or not at all. I do remember suggesting Margaret Christian as being her mother, but I don't remember finding them in contact later on, which must have been in a census. Emily might have been the informant at Margaret's death, which could be worth following up by one of her descendants (on LDS film, until 1900).

I've had another look, and Margaret Christian [later Joughin] is almost as much of a mystery as Emily. I can't see her baptism in Lonan (her birthplace given in 1861 & 1871), with father John (from her marriage). She and son Robert Joughin aged 11 b. Douglas were in Braddan in 1871, at no.32 Cronkbourne V, she a Wid., 49, Sail Cloth Factory Worker. I can't see her in the 1851 census b.Lonan, or anyone who looks as though she could be the right one - or in 1881.

I can't see daughter Emily in 1851 either, who was probably born after the census. She isn't with James Joughin & Margaret [1] in Great Nelson St., Douglas.

Someone else might be able to throw some light on who the mother was of Emily Christian Joughin, and where her grandfather James's second wife Margaret Christian came from? All we know at the moment is that Emily was the grandchild of James Joughin in the 1861 census, aged 9, and assumed to be his dead son's daughter.

Sue