dead right - after much abusive mail from one person who was banned from these boards by another moderator.
see www.manxnotebook.com/famhist/families/awm1889/rdescent.htm
The link to earl James can only come about via Emily Murray - see www.manxnotebook.comfamhist/families/awm1889/gawne.htm
The link from Earl James to the Murrays was also via a daughter Emilia