Frances : Thanks for the information, I know they the F.H.S. and Manx Heritage do a great job with what recource's they have. Reference, the DIY Society heading true, what the members said a little is better than nothing at all. We all do our best to help enquires, but my original message ( 3 off ) a slip up on my part... I know was observations over many years, everyone keep up the good work and relations. Sorry about my outburst!