This is very good news, Frances. It confirms what, for me at least, had been a conjectural link.

Going back to the third paragraph of Robert Hendry’s posting of March 6 at 9.13 p.m., we can now say that there is indeed a trace of Philip Joughin, husband of Christian Lace, having a son by the name of John. I agree that Goodwin was probably unaware that there were two Philip Joughins born within two years in Andreas. The one from the shoemaker family he simply calls “son”. This man, and Philip the husband of Christian Lace, he makes brothers, sons of “Joughin of Ballacrebbin”. That is completely wrong. They weren’t brothers and the Ballacrebbins are a different line altogether, originating at Cronkbane, Bride. In fact, both Philips had a son called John. The shoemaker had one baptised at St. George’s, Douglas, in 1802. Goodwin tells us that this John and his brother William were shoemakers, and both died unmarried. William is in the 1841 and 1851 censuses at Patrick Street, Peel, and in Mill Road in 1861, dying in 1864, but there is no sign of John after his baptism.

Now that we have got the Philips and the Johns straight, we can turn to Robert Hendry’s posting of March 7 at 9.59 p.m. and say that, yes, he and Frederick Brew share the same ancestors, Charles Joughin and Mary Cleator, married in 1722. We can get one generation less remote, though, and say that their daughter Ann Joughin was the youngest common ancestor, in partnership with John Joughin, Leodist. Those two must have got together in about 1754, but no one has yet found their marriage. We do need Charles Joughin and Mary Cleator to provide the common ancestors of Fred’s sister Margaret, and her husband Victor Charles Joughin that Mona Creer has been telling us about.