Hello Donna,

Yes, they are a frustrating bunch, especially when no grave numbers are in the Burial Register.

Thank you for clarifying the relationship of Joseph Cain in the 1851 Census, this DOES make Joseph – the Nephew.

The 1861 Census, Onchan
Ardery Estate
Farm House
Robert Quine Head Unmarried 60 Farmer ^ of 50 Acres ^ Employing 1 Man & 1 Boy Kirk Onchan, Isle of Man
Ann Maddrell Serv Un 52 Housekeeper Rushen, Isle of Man
John Clague Serv Un 52 (sen) Ag Lab Braddan, Isle of Man
Joseph Cain Serv Un 14 Carter Braddan, Isle of Man
Ann Cain Serv Un 15 Dairy Maid Braddan, Isle of Man
Robert Kermeen Visitor 12 Scholar Braddan, Isle of Man

Answering your questions,
I can't read the 1861 census very well--do we know who Robert Quine 60 is?
No, I don’t know who Robert Quine 60 is - I thought he was just the Employer.

A Joseph Cain md Mgt Maddrell 23 FEB 1868 Braddan--maybe related to Ann in the same household?
This could be Joseph, and yes maybe related to Ann Maddrell, I haven’t traced Joseph yet!

Have you run across the Robert/Eliz Cain(e) family in 1841?
I can’t find either Robert or Elizabeth Cain in the 1841 Census, I will have another look tomorrow.

The 1886 will of Robert Cain--is this our same fellow? Lists Robt, Thos, Jos & Christian and wife Mgt.
YES – this is our same fellow.

Looking (again !!!) at the Will of Robert Cain 1886 www.iomfhs.im/lawsons/LawsonBMD/twill/1886_001.html
– it says,

To my wife Margaret Cain, sons, Robert Cain,

This names his Second Wife Margaret (Crow) and their Son – Robert Cain

Children, of the Second marriage,
Julie Cain 28 Nov 1853 Braddan, Isle of Man
John Cain 28 Nov 1853 Braddan - Burials Braddan, CAIN John 3 wks Douglas Dec 17 1853 (IOMFHS) www.iomfhs.im/publications/51-braddan burials-1853.html
John Henry Cain 30 March 1855 Braddan
William Cain 20 December 1856 Patrick
Robert Cain 17 May 1862 Braddan
Margaret Ann Cain 17 May 1867 Braddan
Emily Jane Cain 4 March 1870 Douglas

– The Will says,

sons, Thomas Cain, Joseph Cain and daughter Christian Cain

Children, of the First marriage,
Wm. James Cain 30 NOV 1828 Braddan
John Cain 10 OCT 1830 Saint George, Douglas
Henry Cain 28 APR 1833 Saint George, Douglas
Thomas Cain 18 MAR 1835 Saint George, Douglas (Twin)
Elizabeth Cain 18 MAR 1835 Saint George, Douglas (Twin)
Jane Cain 05 NOV 1837 Saint George, Douglas
Christian Cain 09 JAN 1840 Saint Barnabas, Douglas
Anna Cain 20 FEB 1842 Saint Mathews, Douglas
Joseph Cain 02 NOV 1845 Saint Mathews, Douglas

There is no Son named Robert Cain to Parents : Robert Cain & Elizabeth Quiggin.

Donna said - As you know I've checked burial info re Robt and Eliz and haven't found any MIs for either and no burial for Robt

We have the Burial for,
CAIN, Elizabeth 46 Braddan 15 May 1849 – but no Grave number.

We don’t have a Burial for Robert Cain – but there is a Death for him on on www.manxbmd.com/

1886 Cain Robert 57 Braddan Volume : C1 Page No : 54

Do you know what information is on a – Death certificate? – would it name his 2 marriages? – all his children?

Where can we find the Grave number for Elizabeth Cain 15 May 1849 ?
If we can find the Grave number for Elizabeth – maybe Robert is buried with her?

Second wife Margaret (Crow) is in – Margaret Caine 75 Douglas buried 28 Aug 1904 in grave # 227 O - NO MI

Also in #227 O
Ann Caine 70 Douglas The Strang buried 20 May 1893

I think this is the wife of John Cain (Robert’s Brother)

John Cain & Ann Gawne marriage: 14 NOV 1846 Kirk Rushen
Children,
Elizabeth CAIN 17 JAN 1847 Kirk Rushen,
Martha CAIN 08 OCT 1848 Kirk Rushen
Catherine CAIN 24 FEB 1850 Kirk Rushen
Martha CAIN 25 JAN 1852 Kirk Rushen
Thomas CAIN 22 JUL 1856 Kirk Rushen
William CAIN 30 MAY 1858 Kirk Rushen Death, 18 JAN 1859
William CAIN 13 JAN 1861 Kirk Rushen
Robert CAIN 01 NOV 1863 Kirk Rushen
John CAIN 09 JUL 1854 Kirk Rushen

Averil