THanks I will have to find /get/purchase a birth cert , there were 5 children born after that date so will research and get hold of one , then get back to you , Thanks I really appreciate all the help . Are you in the IOM ?? I am going there for 5 weeks this next christmass , so I am hoping to spend some time researching there . I want all my facts as correct as so Im not chasing dead ends .