Hi Sue, sorry about getting back to you but i've been at work and its shifts. To your question, it seems it was Santan for Philip Creech who was Daniel Cretch's father. I'm only going by what is posted by by Brian's reasearch online. It does go back as i mentioned to a Gilnow, but it does get confusing as he is has a father called Daneld but his Grandfather is Robert. Do you have an intrest in the Cretch family too?