thanks for the thought ray but i had considered them, but..
in 1851 ramsey census they had a 20yr. old son who then seems to have disappeared from the face of the earth, along with his 22 yr. old brother edwin.
as the john wade i am looking for also used the name edwin i am wondering if the two brothers both died and then the elderly john and elizabeth went on to have another son
using the brothers names to replace them.
it seems a bit farfetched but you never know.
however i still need to find a record for my john
thanks again,
pat