bruce, thanks for your reply.
1. marriage cert. 1866, bootle, baker.

2. birth cert. of daughter - ships baker/journeyman.

3. 1881 census for his wife, catherine ellen whitford, 24 fonthill rd. kirkdale, l'pool.

have searched ships lists, isle of man and liverpool, in port for census 1881 at www.angelfire.com - to no avail.

lostcousins site have also been unable to trace him!!

have tried variations of surname, as on 1901 i found him spelt as carrin, living seaforth, l'pool.

another brickwall !!!
glenys