Kirk

Answering this paragraph (from your 1st March message) first:

“I am really looking more and more at JS1. I have found several descendants from that particular family that are showing up as DNA connections. I have a questions for you. That family is located on a farm called Ballamona for several decades. After the father Edward Skelly dies, Margaret is found in a census on a farm called Moany Mooar. I wonder how she ended up there. Maybe a family member. “

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Margaret went to live with daughter Catherine after Edward’s death. In 1871, when Edward and Mgt were at Ballamona (Malew district 5, image 14 of 18), Cath Taggart nee Skelly was nearby at Moaney Moar (Malew district 5, image 7 of 18).

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It would be very useful if you were to give a list of the tree names (with connections to Edward Skelly) along with the number of generations back where the connections occur, plus the cM values.

It may be that that your connection is through Edward’s parents or grandparents etc, but not necessarily through Edward himself.

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Now back to the census indices:

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1841

SKEALLY John 25 Douglas 1465/6 6 8
SKELLY John 20 Castletown 1464/5 14 21
SKELLY John 19 Malew 1464/4 9 11
SKEALLY John 9 Malew 1464/4 46 10
SKELLY John 2 Patrick 1465/9 37 11

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note: there’s also this one which Brian indexed as Kelly:

KELLY John 23 Castletown 1464/5 22 5

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1851

SKELLY John 36 Castletown 2526 169 84
SKELLY John M. 33 Peel 2523 120 136
SKELLY John 32 Douglas 2525 230 101
SKELLY John 32 Douglas 2525 328 190

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Matching up the 41 and 51 individuals:

1841--- the 25 yr old in Douglas matches the 1851 32 yr old Douglas 2525 230 101---both butchers. John Skeally married Cath Quirk 1839 Braddan.

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1841----The 20 yr old in CT (no occupation given, with Robert the fisherman) could be one of the following possibilities:

a) the 32 yr old tailor b Douglas in Douglas in 1851 (2525 328 190) who married Sarah Roxborough in Braddan in 1842.

b) a John Skelly who has left the IOM before 1851. He may or may not have been the father of JR/S.

c) the labourer b CT who was age 36 with wife Eliz nee Duke (m Brad 1842) in Douglas in 1851---unlikely as age wrong, although 1841 age 20 could have been rounded down a lot. Maybe he could have been the father of JR/S IF JR/S WASN’T your ancestor (taking the DNA result into account). This is horribly convoluted.

d) could be the same person as the 19 yr old in 1841 (son of Edward Skelly and Mgt Quine) who was listed with his family at Ballamona but could have happened to be staying down in CT on census night so got listed twice, as you suggest. Could be the father of JR/S.

e) the 33 yr old John M Skelly mariner b Peel in Peel in 1851 with his Irish wife Ann Taggart (m Braddan 1842.

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From familysearch:

Name: John Shaylley • Edit
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 04 Jun 1842
Event Place: Braddan, Isle of Man
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Name: Ann Taggart • Edit
Spouse's Gender: Female
Spouse's Marital Status: Single

This John signed his name John M Skelley.
One of his witnesses signed “William Kelly of Castletown”

In the censuses he was “b Peel” and his burial (29 May 1864 German age 47) gives his name as John Mainwaring Skelly. In 1861 he was a 44 yr old mate on a boat with his son George Carlton Skelly age 18.

I can’t see him in 1841, so was he away at sea, or could he have been the JS age 20 with Robert the fisherman ?

But this JS wasn’t the father of JR/S because he wouldn’t have been described as “labourer” on JR/S’s baptism entry.

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Here’s another contender:

John Skealley

Event Type:Christening
Event Date:02 Dec 1821
Event Place:St George's, Douglas, Isle of Man
Gender:Male
Father's Name:John Skealley • Edit
Mother's Name:Jane Starkinson • Edit

This one was a coach smith. In 1841 he was an apprentice living with his widowed mother in Liverpool with 2 LP-born siblings. In 1849 he married Cath Molyneux in LP, father John Skelley, cooper.

How likely/unlikely is it that he and Esther Radcliffe should be in the same place in late summer/autumn 1841 to conceive JR/S ? It’s unlikely that he would be in Castletown (he was an apprentice at the time), and it’s unlikely that Esther would be in Liverpool unless she’d gone over there to find work after census night in June 1841 and had returned, pregnant, to Castletown.

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I’m really none the wiser after all this. I think that your DNA tree info might be the next thing to explore.

Jean C