It’s a tricky-to-pin-down family so I’ll give you what I’ve found.
In 1901, Philip Henry Clucas gave his birthplace as Liverpool, just as he had done in 1891. At the 1881 census his birthplace was given as Peel, Isle of Man, but he was a boarder and the information may have been given by the head of that household who perhaps misinterpreted what PHC had told him. Having dug more deeply, I believe that PHC was born in 1844 in Liverpool to a Manx couple (John Clucas and Margaret Welch/Welsh) who had married in Patrick parish IOM in 1834, had 2 children in German parish IOM (Peel is in German) and then moved over to Liverpool where they had at least 3 more children including Philip Henry. By 1851 Margaret was a widow in poor financial circumstances with her 3 youngest children.
The only PHC I can find in 1861 who might be yours is a 15yr old soldier. This next bit is pure speculation, but I’m guessing that he learned his musical skills in the army as a bandsman and met and married Elizabeth Temple in Glasgow in 1870. I found a very credible entry in 1871 in the IGI version of the census but Ancestry must have mistranscribed it. I’ll paste in my notes below so you can see what I’ve tentatively found.
I didn’t find John Clucas and Margaret nee Welch with son John in 1841.
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NOTES:
Working on the theory that Philip Henry Clucas might have learned his musical skills in the army, this could be his 1861 census entry:
Twickenham
P H Clucas age 15 private b Liverpool
By census time in 1871 he had been married to Elizabeth Temple for 6 months ---marriage place High Church, Glasgow. His son Joseph was born in Glasgow the following year. So it’s likely that at census time he was in Glasgow.
This could be him:
Copied from IGI:
Scotland Census, 1871
Name: Philip H Clucas
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Male
Age: 25
Registration District: Calton
County: Lanarkshire
Birth Year (Estimated): 1846
GS Film number: 104024
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This is the IGI version for Elizabeth:
Name: Elizabeth Clucas
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Female
Age: 18
Birthplace: Lanarkshire
Registration District: Calton
County: Lanarkshire
Birth Year (Estimated): 1853
GS Film number: 104024
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Can anyone find this in Findmypast ?
The nearest I can find for Ancestry’s version of the same entry is this (assuming that 25 could be misread as 21 and Clucas could be misread as Owens):
1871 Scotland Census
about Philip H Owens
Name: Philip H Owens
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Elizabeth Owens
Gender: Male
Where born: England
Registration Number: 644/4
Registration district: Calton
Civil Parish: Glasgow Calton
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 11 Stevenson St
Occupation: Revale Both Fascher (bandsman)
ED: 73
Household schedule number: 52
LINE: 4
Roll: CSSCT1871_131
Household Members: Name Age
Philip H Owens 21
Elizabeth Owens 18
(Elizabeth b Glasgow)
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This might be Elizabeth Temple in 1861:
1861 Scotland Census
about Elizebeth Temple
Name: Elizebeth Temple
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: William Temple
Gender: Female
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 644/2
Registration district: High Church
Civil Parish: Glasgow St John
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 12 East John St
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 97
Household schedule number: 15
LINE: 15
Roll: CSSCT1861_99
Household Members: Name Age
William Temple 47
Jane Temple 21
William Temple 19
Helen Temple 17
Charles Temple 14
Mary Temple 10
Elizebeth Temple 7
Annie Temple 5
Jessie Temple 3
In 1871 this family (minus Elizabeth) is in Calton in the same vicinity as Philip H Clucas and Elizabeth.
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1851
2 Ct 11 Mile St, Toxteth Park, Liverpool
Ancestry’s transcription (Chigas should be CLUCAS)
Name Age
Margaret Chigas 37
John Chigas 15
Margaret Chigas 10
Phillip Chigas 6
Joseph Chigas 4
notes:
MC widow receiving parish relief b Isle of Man
JC son joiner apprentice b IOM
3 younger children b Liverpool
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This could be the IGI baptism of an older brother of Philip Henry Clucas:
Name: John Clucas
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 11 Jan 1835
Christening Place: KIRK GERMAN,ISLE OF MAN,ENGLAND
Father's Name: John Clucas
Mother's Name: Margaret Welsh
There was also a sibling Mary Ann b 1838 but she may be the Mary Clucas who was buried in German in Jan 1841.
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Marriage of Philip Henry Clucas’s parents:
Name: John Clucas
Spouse's Name: Margaret Welch
Event Date: 03 Apr 1834
Event Place: Patrick,Isle Of Man,England
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PHC’s birth registration:
Name: Philip Henry Clucus
Registration Year: 1844
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: West Derby
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 20
Page: 1001
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Jean C