Another branch of the Sumner Radcliffes are those descended from John, the other son of Gilbert Radcliffe. This John died in 1674 leaving a will in which he bequeathed all his lands to his son John Radcliffe except a croft which he left to his wife and then to his second son Thomas, and he appointed his brother James supervisor until his four children came of age. The croft mentioned was Crot-y-Lough which in the Lords Survey of 1705 is shown to be in possession of Thomas Radcliffe where it is stated that Gilbert Radcliffe had compounded for the same in 1643. This Thomas Radcliffe had a son Thomas, born 1690; 95, and married Alice. the daughter of John Radcliffe. of Old Belfast, in 1718. He and many of his descendants were known as 'y Vair' or 'y Voar'. Thomas Radcliffe, the younger, had seven children, one of whom, Thomas, shoemaker and weaver, purchased the Cronk Breck in Ballachurry quarterland. By Ann Sayle, his wife, he had a younger son James born in 1760 who lived at the Lhen Moar and was a noted codfisher and weaver. He built the cottage in which he lived by his own hands. His great grandson was the well-known schoolmaster of Andreas, William Radcliffe, whose patronymic "Billy-Harry-Jemmy-Jem-Hom-Voar-y Sundher", is a remarkable example of how the country people preserved the long records of their descent and incidentally proves the connection of the 'Voar' branch with the other Sundher families. George Radcliffe, uncle to William the Schoolmaster, emigrated to the U.S.A. and was one of the pioneer house builders in Cleveland, Ohio. Another brother James became a farmer in the U.S.A. and the descendants of John, the eldest of this generation, emigrated to Australia.

Cunliffe Smith made some errors based on Constance Radcliffe's research. Stating that Thomas was the s/o Thomas was one of those errors. We have since been able to determine that Thomas who Married Alice Radcliffe was the son of John not Thomas.

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