Yes, Dr Shaw was writing about 1. John [last message] when he wrote "John's son William in 1601 was entered for a tenement and a quarter of land in the treen of Leodest at 20- rent, being the farm of Ballakelly".

And no, the Radcliffes y Sundher descended from John's elder son John RATCLIFF, coroner, Ballaratcliff, b.c.1575 who had three sons. The eldest son was John who inherited Ballaradcliffe, then middle son Gilbert RATCLIFFE b.c.1610, d.1668, “assumed to be a younger brother of John Ratcliffe b.c.1605”, who married Margaret KINRY heiress of Belfast.

Constance Radcliffe wrote: “Gilbert Radcliffe was taken…. to be a younger son of Ballaradcliffe, and was first entered for Intacks 43 and 44 (as they were numbered in the eighteenth century) in Andreas in 1625. He married Margaret Kinry …, and had two sons, James and John, and two daughters, Bahee and Katherine. The two sons received his various smallholdings of land, James taking the oddly-named Belfast, with the West Croft near Ballavarry, and John receiving Crot e Lough…” [‘The Radcliffes of Andreas’ by Constance Radcliffe. Isle of Man Natural History & Antiquarian Society, vol VIII no.2.]

James Ratcliff b.c.1630-1689, of Belfast
John b.c.1635 - 1669 of Crot-e-Lough.

It is this John who is Carol's and my ancestor, and Carol's branch was called Radcliffe y Sundher. Dr Shaw's wife came from my branch, although both he and CR got into a bit of a muddle between the two branches (especially CR).

Sue