Thanks for your help Sue. No there are no relatives living with him at anytime. His marriage cert to Selena gives no fathers name or occupation for that matter. On the 51 census he gave his occupation as cartwright. On the 61 census it is lath???. Cannot read the rest of it. His eldest son on the 81 census is a lathsplitter so he could have followed the trade of his father. William died pre 81 and i have not pinpointed that either yet. It is so difficult with many like names. How do you ever tie people together?!