thanks for the corris info. eleanor gives john killey, labourer, as her father on her marriage record. which is the same as my william gives on his.
she seems to be the only one who uses the name ruth for one of her children. maybe ruth died after 1841 and that is why eleanor uses the name in 1847. sorry to ask, but i dont have ancestry membership any more so can't check.....but have you looke dfor ruth in 1851 england census or marrying in england? my william was in england with his wife and family in 1851, living in birkenhead, cheshire.
I am just hoping for a missing link that will slot the whole family into place!! thank you so much for all your sleuthing. i really do appreciate it. x