Hi Jane

Quoting from your message:

"the marriage of john killey to mary callow in 1804, says he is a bachelor of this parish (patrick) and she is a spinster of german. (so she wasnt a widow and I am no nearer finding out when she ws born and who her parents were! the witnesses were william white and david quayle."

----working on the theory that witnesses to marriages were often related to the bride or groom, I've had a go at investigating William White.The top 2 candidates are WW b 1748 and his son, WW b 1776.

William White b circa 1748 Patrick married at least 2 women, and possibly 4. He died 1820 and his will is transcribed on Brian's will index. At his death, his widow was named Elizabeth, and I'm wondering whether she was "Elizabeth Christian or Stearn" who married a Wm White 9 Jan 1800 Patrick. The will refers to 3 children, Jane, Ann (deceased) and William.

I think that William senior's first wife was Christian Quilliam (1 June 1771 Patrick) and that she was the mother of his 3 children:

1) Jane bap 23 Feb 1772 Patrick, married Thomas Cowley 27 Jan 1798 Patrick

2) Ann bap 25 Apr 1773 married Wm Killey 5 Nov 1796 Patrick

3) William junior bap 4 Aug 1776

This info came from the 1785 will of Christian White and the IGI.

There are 2 other Patrick marriages for a William White, and it's possible that they were both for William senior, but maybe one was for William junior.

29 Oct 1785 to Alice Ellison, and a burial :

WHITE, Alice Ellison Pat 4 Jan 1795 ELLISON ?

28 Apr 1795 to "Eleanor Sansbury or Quirk", and a burial:

WHITE, Elenor Pat 8 Sep 1799

Then there's a Patrick marriage for a Wm White on 15 June 1805 to "Margaret Crennett" and I'm guessing that this is William Junior.

I don't know which William was a witness to the marriage of John Killey and Mary Callow in 1804.Is it significant that Wm junior's sister, Ann, had married a William Killey ? Will this help to find the parents of Mary Callow's husband ?

Request for Donna:

Please can you see if there are any MIs for all these Whites ?

WHITE, Alice Pat 7 Jan 1784

WHITE, Alice Pat 2 Apr 1787
(one of these two is probably the mother of William b 1748 ish )

WHITE, Christian Quilliam Pat 1 Feb 1785 QUILLIAM ?

WHITE, Alice Ellison Pat 4 Jan 1795 ELLISON ?

WHITE, Elenor Pat 8 Sep 1799

WHITE, William Pat 9 May 1820

KILLEY, Ann Pat 4 Mar 1805

KILLEY, Ann Pat 29 Apr 1809
(one of these two is probably Ann nee White b 1773)

It would be good if there also happened to be MIs for John Killey and Mary Killey nee Callow nearby (dates not known)

Jean C