Thanks Mary 1871 census John plus 2 older siblings (Jane was in England ) & 2 younger . 1881 Mother only a widow with 4 of her children .John was a mariner expect he was at sea . 1891 Mother &4 children including John Anne still not at home . 1901 John married with his own family. My great Aunt was very reluctant to tell me anything about her father when I first wanted to research the family .I at last got this information from her in a whisper.Father was illegitimate and adopted his father was Captain of the Parish . I wondered if this is true Anne could have been in service got pregnant & her parents brought John up as their son ?.Sadly my Aunt is no longer with us but I see no reason to fabricate this story ,I will look for the info you have given me Many thanks Val