Thanks for "Majestic" info, Brian. I checked about the CD and before I ask son and daughter for an early birthday present (!) not sure it would hold info about John Palmer from Goole Yorkshire (b1835) and his vessels as I think a lot of his journeys were around France/Guernsey and other foreign climes. My daughter found a John Palmer (which wasn't mine) on Ancestry.com and it was recorded from a List of Officers, Crew and others on board ship or vessel (and in this case what looked like "Bonnie Kate" steam ship in 1871 - would this be the kind of info you get - it gave name, rank, age, where born and of course the name of vessel and it appeared as the original census do - is this from that CD do you think?