hi bruce, thanks again, i will follow up your tips. next week we are staying in caernarvon to visit relatives and churchyards re my fathers side of the family! i already have some very interesting info re my gt.g.m. she emigrated to australia on her own married a welshman there, had 3 children there, returned to wales had 5 more children, returned to aust. later in life, her husband died in aust. and she returned once again to wales!!!!! ta again, glenys