Hello Iain,

I forgot to tell you before that we know a little about Gilbert Radcliffe, but I followed only the Andreas family, not the earlier ones you asked about.

D.S. Dugdale, who researched Andreas land records, wrote:
“Gilbert RATCLIFFE b.c.1610 of Belfast, was assumed to be a younger brother of John Ratcliffe b.c.1605, the heir of Ballaratcliff. Their father was John, coroner, Ballaratcliff, b.c.1575, the son of John Ratcliff. His younger son William, of Ballakelly, was b.c.1580.
Gilbert married Margt KINRY heiress of Belfast. This is a portion of the quarterland of Ballachurry. Gilbert’s son James inherited the West Croft of Belfast while son John received Crot-e-Lough. In the Manorial Roll 1727 Crot-e-Lough was numbered Intack 43 and was possessed by Thos Radcliffe.”

Constance Radcliffe wrote: “Gilbert Radcliffe was taken… to be a younger son of Ballaradcliffe, and was first entered for Intacks 43 and 44 (as they were numbered in the eighteenth century) in Andreas in 1625. He married Margaret Kinry …, and had two sons, James and John, and two daughters, Bahee and Katherine. The two sons received his various smallholdings of land, James taking the oddly-named Belfast, with the West Croft near Ballavarry, and John receiving Crot e Lough…” [‘The Radcliffes of Andreas’ by Constance Radcliffe. Isle of Man Natural History & Antiquarian Society, vol VIII no.2.]

Dr R. Cunliffe Shaw wrote:
"John Radcliffe junior who succeeded his father at Ballaradcliffe was also coroner for the sheading of Ayre for which he paid a rental of 40/- and both he and his brother William of Ballakelly, appear from year to year as members of the Setting Quest or as ' Moars for Andreas. John was associated with Gilbert Kelly as a holder of intack in Andreas in 1622 and probably married a sister or daughter of this Kelly. He had issue, besides his heir John, a younger son, Gilbert, who was the direct antecedent of the 'Sundher' branch.
Gilbert Radcliffe is first entered for intack in Andreas in 1625 and in the Liber Vast of 1631 his name appears along with Gilbert Skinner, Ewan Sayle, William Crebbin and Donald Kinrede, each of whom paid 6d. for their holdings.
In 1633 Gilbert Radcliffe's name is drawn and Dollin Curleod entered, but we find that Gilbert had married Margaret, the daughter of John Kinry and in 1648 the latter's name was drawn and Margaret is entered with her husband Gilbert Radcliffe. The appended note states that John Kinry was dead and his right had descended to his daughter and her husband "ye said Gilbert". This was for 1d rent, and in the same year Margaret and Gilbert were also entered for 4d rent in which, John Kinry, the father, is drawn: 2d rent in which Jony Kinry, the Mother, is drawn, and 2d rent for which Fynlo Kinry is drawn.
The Lords Survey of 1700-1710 shows that Gilbert Radcliffe had other lands for which he compounded in 1643, these were the crofts later known as Belfast, the West Croft opposite the entrance to Ballavarry facing Ohio Cottage, Ohio Cottage and the adjoining land and an unidentified croft called Crot-a-Lough. He died in October, 1668, and his two sons, John who received Crot-a-Lough and the other intack holdings inherited from the Kinrys, and James who obtained possession of Old Belfast and the West Croft. John's descendants were for many generations designated 'y Vair' or 'y Voar' and some were described as 'Voar y Sundher'. According to the late Archdeacon Kewley these names were applied to this branch of the Radcliffes because they were overseers of the highways and not as some have thought a nickname implying that they lived by the road.” [‘Story of an Old Manx Northside Family: Radcliffe y Sundher of Andreas’ By R. Cunliffe Shaw, M.Sc.. F.R.C.S.. F.R.Hist.S. Reprinted from the Ramsey Courier of Wednesday, Dec. 24th. 1952.]

There are transcripts of the wills referred to below on the wills website.

Gilbt Ratcliffe's will dated 28 Oct. 1668 named his son Jon, and Jon’s two children who were left "a yard of linen cloath". He also mentioned his two daughters Kathr: and Bahee, his son James, and James's son Jon. His wife was left his crofts and crops “as long as she liveth”, which were to go to his son James after her decease. [Arch will LDS film no.106201]

Children of Gilbert RADCLIFFE & Margaret KINRY:
Two daughters:
Katherine
Bahee d.1690 married GARRETT?
[Will of BAHEEY RATTLIFF LDS film no.0991646]

Two sons:
1.James
2.John

1.James Ratcliff b.c.1630 (of Belfast) married Nelly KINREAD Nov 10th 1663. James Ratcliffe buried 11th December 1689. [LDS film. no.106205]

2.John Ratcliff b.c.1635 (of Crot-e-Lough) died 1669. Will Andreas 1669... his lands to his son John Ratcliffe; wife alive; other children Tho:, Margt., & the child on [his wife's] bearinge if it lives. James Ratcliffe his brother appointed supervisor of his children. December ye 5th 82
This day Thomas Rattliff at lawful age hath received from James Rattliff his overseer... Margt Ratcliff being at lawful years came this day & received from James Ratcliff... the said Margt have also received the childs pt of goods due to her brother James Ratcliff.

John’s 4 underage children in the above will [born between c.1663 & 1669]:

1. John b.c.1664, d.1701
2. Thomas b.c.1666
3. Margaret b.c.1668 (not included in grandfather’s 1668 will, but was at lawful age in Dec.1682).
4. Unborn child: James son of John R. bap. Andreas Feb.1669/70

Eldest son John b.c.1664, d.1701
John c.1664-1701 married Margaret CANNELL who died as Margaret KNEAL 22 Dec.1723 [she married John Kneal after John Radcliffe's death].
Her will shows her husband was alive, and names her unmarried son Philip Radcliffe, her son Thomas Radcliffe and his son John Radcliffe, and her daughter Jony who was married to Philip Kynry.

John & Margaret's eldest son Thomas (Y Vair) b.c.1695/96 married Alice Radcliffe of Old Belfast. Decree 1732: Next of kin and supervisors to his underage children were Philip Ratcliff and Philip Kinry [husband of Jony].

Younger son Philip RADCLIFFE b.c.1699-1700, d.1762 [will], married 1. Jony HARRISON, 2. Joney TEARE.

The rest of the Crot-e-Lough Radcliffe family line down to your ancestor is on the first message I posted for you.

Sue