Thanks for your help Frances, I looked at the 1881 census but was not sure this is the right William if he was age 7 in 1881 it would make him 25 in 1899 when he got married and certificate say age 23 thanks for the hint about using the second name, on his marriage cert hes william george on my mother birth and marriage cert hes george william but if he is the one on 1881 census I cannot find when his dad died either(Yet another william)