Thanks Sylvia

Both WGD1 and WGD2 were living in lower Douglas at the time of all the censuses. On all their records it is noted that they were both born in Douglas.

I already have the death of WGD1 in 1885 and the marriage of WGD2 to Julia Cain in 1906 and his death in 1962. But it is WGD1's birth, c.1848, WGD2's birth (family unverified records show 16.9.1878), and details of WGD2's mother, ? Murray, and any marriage between WGD1 and ? Murray which I have not been able to verify.

Here's hoping.

Kit