Patrick, I think you have mentioned his name twice, Liz once - and in the context of an answer to someone.
Liz is very helpful to a lot of people on this list so you need to add up all her previous lines re history and you will see what she is about. She is someone who is a great help to many and puts herself out for others. without any cost of her time. Before you mention it, yes, I am a fan of Lizs!!
Sandra