Sylvia, Thank you again. I have the marriage cert. for James (Junior) born 1856 and Henrieta Gibson that is how I got his father's name as James but its James senior born 1856 that I'm really stuck on. I have found an 1861 census but it hasn't got James junior on. which I can't understand why - where is he? I tried to send it to you but it wouldn't let me so here goes:-
James Williams age 27 ship's carpenter born

Liverpool Susannah " wife age 26 born Liverpool
Edward " son age 4 " "
Elizabeth " daughter age 2 " "
Susannah " " age 7 months "

I don't really know if this is my family or not!
Best Wishes -
Shirley.