First the easy bit. John Cl Joughin was indeed the son of William and Margaret. The age was right, and his son John records: “In 1906 John became engaged to Miss May Hocken before setting out for Hong Kong. On the journey by Canadian Pacific Railway across the prairies and through the Rockies…”

As for Edward Joughin, I am convinced that all the Edward Joughins you mention in your posting of 16th May are the same man. Joughin is rare enough. And Edward is not a name that Joughins tended to bestow: there are only four Edward Joughins in the IGI for the Isle of Man. That does not include Edward Clague Joughin. As his family were Methodists, there is probably a Methodist baptism recorded somewhere that the Mormons didn’t get. The last of the IGI Edward Joughins was Edward Daniel, bapt 1853 – nothing in 1860.

EDJ was the son of William Joughin and Jane Teare. This couple had a daughter, Jane Maria, known as Myra, followed by eleven boys. Edward Daniel was the penultimate to have been born in Andreas, before the family moved south, first to Sulbric in Santon, where the rest were born, then to Ballakew, Malew, where the family stayed until 1935. Myra must have been a family favourite, for at least four of her brothers named a daughter after her, including the one who talked about her Uncle Ned, and this daughter of Edward J and Alice Stansfield that you have just told us about – plus “Myron”. I am not too worried about the places mentioned. Ramsey is the nearest town to Andreas, and as for Douglas, well, the Ellis Island official might have grown impatient of EDJ’s complicated explanation of Manx geography, and just put down Douglas as it was the one place he had heard of.

A Margaret Jane Joughin died in 1905 aged 48. She must have been EDJ’s first wife. That made her 21 at marriage, a suitable age. Her death was registered in the September quarter of 1905, in the Prestwich Registration District, Vol. 8d, p. 317. Prestwich is in north Manchester, not far from Harpurhey, where the couple married. So in 1908 on arrival at Ellis Island EDJ would have been single. In 1920 we have Alice Joughin and in 1921 Edward Joughin is married. So we are looking for a marriage of Edward Joughin and Alice Stansfield in the period 1908-1920. Presumably that took place in Newark, NJ, or thereabouts. Are you able to look for that marriage, Carol?

I think the time has come to continue this off the board. If you would like to write to me at pjallen@btinternet.com we can take things further.