There is a strange (misread ?) entry in the 1881 census - Hardys Yard, Douglas has a widowed Isabella Caren age 43 - however she is with her grand-child ! John Roney age 20 (a hobbler on the Quay) - this John Roney I'm sure is 'Ganja' (see www.manxnotebook.com/mquart/mq04332.htm) whose parents I believe are james Roney + elizabeth jelly bap Kk German 19 AUG 1859 , there is another grandchild present Robert age 12 which looks like son of Hugh Roney and Eleanor Wade, another 9 year Artur Roney I can't locate in IGI (there was a very well known Catholic Rooney family of Douglas and briefly at Peel - Cathlic baptisms are not in IGI) - however I'm confused with this entry - maybe Brian can correct any misreading ! - the Cren name may be a mistranscription and/or she may have nothing to do with Thomas and John