Stan, Do you have any connections with the Kneales who had grocers shops in Douglas at the end of the 19th C. Some of the family were known as ? Leece Kneale, which suggests a Leece connection. If you want more, either reply on the board, or direct. Incidentally, I am enjoying the Furness site. I think it is a good one for Manx people. Regards, Susanne.