Thanks Sue. I have all verified facts from Thomas Moore / Eleanor Kneen onwards up to myself. I've always wondered why this Arbory marriage came about. It is definitely Kneen that all her chn have listed as mother. Now to find another Thomas Moore who md an Eleanor Kneen but in the German area! So many facts tallied with T & E 1813 marriage & 1813 first child & Thomas Moore bap in Arbory but then Thomas siblings all bap in Rushen. Which is why I thought his parents wete John M / Mary Cashin from Rushen. Now I' m completely lost!