I looked at the 1841 & 1851 census & as usual the 1841 gave no details but the 1851 for Eleanor gave Patrick & her birth year would have been 1792 which is what I have in my notes but thought she was baptised a few years later as I put in a previous message. Maybe a kind person will look up the 1813 marriage for me if they are already at the museum. I would do that for a fellow researcher if I was already in the room. Fingers crossed. Thanks for your feedback anyway.