Sue, I grew up with the phrase 'Patience is a virtue' & you'll need it with me now if you receive 2 emails the same. This time I think I clicked 'send' twice !. I have now written to Yvonne, decided not to mention the letter to David, because if he is anything like the 2 men, husband & son living with me, he'll either ignore it or put it in the paper collection. More chance to get a reply from Y so again, fingers crossed. Thanks again, K