Got the site you suggested & have now ordered the 1901 census CD rom. Thought I would try that first, £22 odd with p&p & make sure it works in our computer! I was tempted with the pack of 4 but best to buy just one first. You, Donna & Sue seem to be a wealth of knowledge so it is good to get tips on various sources . Still wondering about this John Croaghan who seems to disappear , if he was Elizabeth's sibling as well as Frances & Margaret. Thanks