Yvonne - ignore those who don't deign to give their names, they are an exception on this board which in the past has been a generally helpful site - it is all too easy to go for a laugh at others expense, especially when you dont have to take any comeback - yissir would I think find a better audience on one of the Manxnet forums where 'boys' (ie those whose calendar age is somewhat in excess of their mental age) regularly trade insults under the guise of 'humour'.