Yeah too many Johns and Roberts! I've been conversing with Karen almost daily now for two years. Amazing that this site has brought together cousins from 160 years ago and around the world.. She pretty much stopped after her gggrandfather John(my ggrandfather Roberts brother) and focused on her maternal path. This is frustrating. It seems that from my ggrandfathers birth in 1844 and his father in 1819 I am stalemated to confirm his mother and father except maybe the twin? I don't know. This whole Stole thing is upsetting me. I want to get this guy out of the picture.