Paul
athank you for info i will try and work on it to tie into robert cain born 1831 and married margaret crow in 1853,i did find a philip cain died in 1910 from camlork farm, he had 7 children two boys went to america, one living in birmingham and two boys were still with him, and the girls im not sure but i think it said they married, this elderly relative ,[ her mother lydia was my grandads sister ] told me john henry cains lot were farmers from braddan and edith cowle/cowell family from farming in north etc, Thank you