Their daughter, Elisabeth (born 1832), went from Liverpool to France (I'm French) and I always heard that she was from Isle of Man. John and Ellen had 15 children (Elisabeth, Sarah, William Henry, John, John Thornton, Henry, Marie, Jane, Emily, Frederick, Robert, Alfred, Annie, Edward). I think the parents of John Porter were William (born 1773 died 1859) and Sarah (died 1838) and the parents of Ellen Fleet were James (born 1726 died 1818) and Phoebe ? (died 1826). I'd be so happy if my roots could be in the Isle of Man ! Sorry for my English and thank you for any help.