Thankyou for your reply, Iam confused to as s ages do differ, but as far as my research has gone back to Hugh Kermeen and his wife Margaret,mygreatgreatgrandfather John Kneale was a shoe/bootmaker,I think his grandparents were Thomas Kneale and Margaret Kermeen, there seems to be different spellings of Kneale on family search,I know that John was baptised 1833 Onchan,and marries Jane Kelly Bradden 1856, my great grandmother Catherine Jane Kneale was born Lonan 1857,regards Gillian