thanks brian , i found the children in 1871 in i o m as neices and nephews of a james moore and his wife margaret , and in 1861 i find them living in toxteth park in the same house as james moore and his wife but with their mother who is a margaret hargreaves and she is a widow born in i o m . so i think you could be right ,it is possibly a 2nd marriage for her, so will be sending for a certificate thank you once again