Thanks, Mary. No I haven't used the Lawson BMD resource. Where is it found? One son is recorded by CWGC (Joseph Albert KIA 1917 enlisted in Perth, W Australia). The other is not and I am trying to put a case together for a late commemoration - John James lost at sea also in 1917. Clara is buried with her husband and her father, Walter, in Southport. The other son's name is new to me so thanks for that. Is the family in the 1891 census? - they aren't in the 1901 Census