Di, i have sent to you an e-mail, i cant find them after 1881 after john and sarah married they moved to west derby liverpool they had william james 1878 and george orrell age 2 mths on the 1881 census, john orrell himself was born in ireland 1843, im almost sure its them , after 1881 they have either moved on back to ireland or come over your way, he was a public house manager