Jean, thanks for that but i already have the book, ifact he is going to be doing a nother one. dont know if he has started already, i found his book very interesting, and ive read through it a few times, what must have gone through them children minds when father had thrown them in the well , i passed a well two weeks ago looked down into it and thought of that murder,, i will e-mail you later tonight, i have some ptoties to scan up at the moment and send of but getting me tea first,,