Thanks Frances - I think we crossed messages. It seems there were 3 fishing smacks which foundered in the breakers nr Peel. I must admit I thought it was a bit late for herring fishing in November - but then I am no fisherman. And it was thanks to you that I managed to get this far with my research - William Shimmin's Will is mentioned on your website. I would have thought there would have been some mention of the deaths in the church records wouldn't there. I have tried all the obvious parishes from German to Arbory and out to Santan and Marown to no avail. And there is no mention on Brian Lawson's site of either William or Christian Shimmin's burials. Just wondered if there is any other records of burials?