Thank you Len and Donna. I now have grandmas full birth certificate which doesn't tell me a whole lot more except to confirm great grandmothers name as Jane. Are there records of the poor asylum anywhere? My mother tells me that Elsie May believed that Jane went to Scotland to become a school teacher, but I think that this is confused with Edith Garretts story. Edith was also brought up, for a while with Robert Faragher and Nessie Garrett and was Nessies sister Julias child.