bit of digging in igi gives John McNeil m. Margt Clucas (the name in 1841 could just be marg but margt/mary common slip) m Bra 1833-07-21 - can find bapts of wm DSG 18370121 + isaac DSG 18391206 - there is a non PR entry for two later children but can't find bapt of 1st born nor of Cleave tho possible that a Wm to a John Kneale + Margt at St Barnabas was John