Well thank you so much bruce for all your help wow so many names and all unusual.
do you live in the isle of man?
only my present day family are from there.
my uncle john yates was a member of the manx parliment.
sadly he died a few years ago
but i have some rellies living there unfortuantly we dont keep in touch.
again thank you so much and i will look at brian lawsons sight hopefully i will find something on there.